Start with a high level high stakes meeting that could take place this month between North Korea's leader Kim Jong-un and Russia's president of Vladimir Putin this could well impact the war in Ukraine according to U.S officials Kim Jong-un is expected to make a rare visit overseas and discuss the possibility of North Korea providing Moscow with weapons to support its war in Ukraine the exact location of the plan meeting is not yet clear in a statement U.S national security officials say that arms negotiations between Russia and North Korea are actively advancing I talk this through with our North America correspondent Peter Bose there has been growing concern in Washington that this deal was being worked on by Russia and North Korea it followed a visit to North Korea by the Russian defense minister and so now in the last few hours we have confirmation from officials in Washington that it is believed as you say that Kim Jong-un and Vladimir Putin will meet at some point a place to be decided it seems or at least revealed in Russia over the next few weeks a very high stakes meeting they have met before 2019 was the last time in Russia but clearly the situation is different now and we know that Russia needs more artillery ammunition with very few friends around the world it is perhaps telling that they are turning to a pariah State like North Korea to it seems Source this Weaponry that they crucially need to pursue the war in Ukraine it wouldn't be one-sided though what we understand and this is being reported by the New York Times is that his would come as a price and the price from North Korea would be advanced technology from Russia to help it Advance its nuclear program and also possibly food food supplies for North Korea it's a very impoverished country a lot of starvation across that nation and that Food Supplies could be part of this potential deal yeah as you say you're looking at the basics money and food and then you're looking at Advanced Weaponry but whatever is discussed whatever is uh going on in terms of a new transactional relationship it raises a lot of concerns doesn't it yeah and that's the concern apart from the immediate impact of course on the war in Ukraine but going forward if this is a relationship that is in perhaps the early stages of being developed at a defense level perhaps involving nuclear equipment that is of a concern a much broader concern and also from the United States perspective part of the policy of the US and its allies has been to isolate Russia to isolate Russia diplomatically especially but in many practical senses as well around the world and this will be a in that that it wouldn't be the isolation that the United States especially wants to see if Russia has found a way to get the the Weaponry that it requires Peter Bose there well I also talked to Nina chrischeva who's professor of international Affairs at the new school in New York City now Nina is also the great granddaughter of former premier of the Soviet Union Nikita Khrushchev and from Moscow she gave us her take on the possibility of these two leaders meeting soon well there is a possibility that it's been discussed and was mentioned the defense minister Sergey shoigu went to pinyan in July in fact I think it's important to remember that Russian actions in many ways are reciprocals so when the president of South Korea went to Kiev also in July then shoigu immediately went to North Korea and I think the South South Koreans were quite taken by that because they thought that they have reasonably good relationship with the Russians but the Russians like well you went to Kiev so we're going to go to pinyan I think from the United States perspective it sounds a little bit hysterical the way they frame it I don't believe that that you know the Putin turns to North Korea because he's in Dire Straits of munition I don't think it's the uh it's a very accurate very very accurate portrayal but the meeting is important and also to say that you know Russia is fully isolated and then uh suddenly turns to North Korea and it's a I would disagree with that because you know there's a lot of other states I mean we just witnessed uh a meeting with Putin of president of Turkey are the ones so that isolation that full isolation that the United States was uh was uh aiming at uh certainly didn't happen it is in isolation but it's not a full one but the North Korea visit uh if it does happen is important also to show that the Russians and and the Korean the North Koreans are standing against those sanctions and uh in many ways I think for Putin it's more of a more of an image that he is uh kind of catering or he's putting under his wing all this wrong by the west but it's certainly uh the in terms of technology and food food in other ways I think it's more important to North Korea and for Russia it's more of an image that really I mean how much uh how much ammunition North Korea can supply it's it's an open question also as well it's um it's a leader it's an international leader that raises a lot of fear in the west that many don't know a lot about and this is President Putin as you say uh having meetings with Kim Jong-un if they do go ahead and where that relationship could lead to is bound to raise a you know ring a lot of alarm bells in the West in particular in the U.S yes absolutely and I think that's that's that's a very important question but the reason I mentioned it slightly kind of American attitude it's like slightly hysterical because the you know before Putin became the full and and fun terrible of the Western World it was uh Kim Jong-un and so now the two bad boys of of uh International politics is meeting and of course we're going to uh talk about it in um uh slightly uh higher tones but yes I think if the relationship does happen and I'm actually not quite sure that uh that we're there uh yet to discuss it because Kim Junoon is very careful and uh and Putin from my point of view it's more of an imagery than uh than much else but if push comes to Chev I'm sure that uh Putin will have no qualms to uh help and I think that's one of the reasons the meeting is uh is kind of public and I mean the prepare preparation may be so public is that to kind of it's a spook factor is that what Russians can do to Aid Kim jong-un's nuclear program and so in this sense it was uh for on the Russian side for sure is to say well you know we're treated this way but we can really be uh kind of a splinter in in global an even greater Splinter and I think that's the fear that that we should really pursue professor of international Affairs at the new school in New York City